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| Âòîðíèê, 25 ßíâàðü 2011 | ||||||||
 Ôðàíö Êëèíöåâè÷, Ñåðãåé Ìèòðîõèí, Àíäðåé Ëåáåäåâ KLINTSEVICH: Good evening! PRONKO: And here is the leader of the ‘Yabloko’ party, Sergei Mitrokhin. Sergey, good evening! MITROKHIN: Hello! PRONKO: Here from the Russian State parliament from the LDPR faction and member of the parliamentary commission on security, Andrei Lebedev. Andrei Yaroslavovich (Lebedev), good evening! And finally here is the chairman of Russia’s Islamic Committee, Heydar Jemal. Heydar Jahedovich (Jemal), good evening! JEMAL: Good evening! PRONKO: Thank you gentlemen for agreeing to come. In general this is a very complicated and important subject and I think it is such in principle, but to begin with, I would like to mention a communication tool for our students, it is www.finam.fm — this is the first way of communicating with us, our Web site. Write any questions or comments, please, and here is our KLINTSEVICH: First of all I would just like to express our sincere condolences to all relatives and friends who lost their loved ones, and those who are in serious condition. May God grant them health and a speedy recovery. This is the first. Second: In all that relates to the work of the law enforcement and the intelligence agencies, the terrorist attack at Domodedovo airport was for them a complete failure. In this case it does not matter what successes they previously enjoyed. This is the reason the State keeps security services, and today the public… in this case, virtually everyone in the media is analyzing their work so it never happens again. Meanwhile it is important that while conducting this analysis we listen to those who are responsible for it and could tell us and tell the public what difficulties they experience. With regard to Domodedovo, well, first, that such an attack could even take place means that, despite the huge budget outlays going to the intelligence agencies and the law enforcement system, things are not going well. Second, when we speak directly, in this case about Domodedovo, then my colleagues and I cannot speak for anyone else, but after this attack I have suddenly started to think: I do a lot of flying around the country and after all people can safely go places, there are these metal detectors and you walk through these but some people are able to walk right by them. What was said earlier about everything being done completely securely, I rather doubt it. All this talk directed against the management of Domodedovo does not hold water, either. I agree that when inspecting people going onto an airplane there are no problems, no difficulty in walking through these scanners and putting objects through these special devices and holding luggage and people so you can more easily check them out, if you have any suspicions. In these cases we have to tell people up front that these examinations, including the — I apologize — the “getting felt up” is something we must accept, because it is related to the lives and security of many people. Meanwhile the genie, PRONKO: This is the position of Franz Klintsevich. I will now read the only text message we have received so far: “This failure,” as was said, “was a failure of the security services and law enforcement.” Here, as in any civilized country, in such situations people are sent into retirement and voluntarily tender their resignations. I turn now to the audience of ‘Finam FM’ — do you think that President Medvedev should fire the ‘power bloc’ (the leadership of the military as well as the security and law enforcement agencies — ed.)? I am not even talking about some deputy minister or director at the FSB, but about the top names. If you believe Dmitry Medvedev should sack the ‘power bloc’, please text the letter ‘A’ to 5533. If you think that no, they need to get to the bottom of things, these people know the inner workings of their agencies and they should remain at their posts, then text ‘B’ to 5533. Once again, resignation: 5533, letter ‘A’, if not: 5533, letter ‘B’. Sergey, please, your opinion. MITROKHIN: I think that these people’s resignations are absolutely mandatory, but still insufficient, because if you dismiss Bortnikov and his team, the system still remains, a system under which all of us today exist, and in which our inefficient security services hold us all hostage. A new commander would not change the system. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that during the past year in Russia as a whole, we have suffered 28 terrorist attacks, and, according to experts, and this is based on open source information, of course, nearly 200 people have been killed. Now let us look at what happens to these terrible attacks, or rather, what was done in investigations in the past. What is it that we hear all the time? Whenever there is an attack, immediately they solemnly declare it to be a criminal case. So, okay, they open a criminal case, and what is next with this criminal case? Later the information on the matter becomes incomprehensible and disconnected, and ultimately nothing about what is going on is clear to anyone. I could cite a specific example: the attacks in Moscow in March of last year. So what happened with that? Experts from the ‘Yabloko’ party analyzed the situation. In May, namely on May 13th of last year, Bortnikov, remember, he is the head of the FSB… PRONKO: The director of the Federal Security Service. MITROKHIN: The FSB director told Medvedev that they had identified everyone involved in the bombings. Not a single name was stated, though. Sometimes, right away they give the names (of suspects) and witnesses, so I was also surprised since now a witness in a corruption case over at the Interior Ministry, for some reason right away they mentioned his name on the news in the capital, and yet here is this serious statement from the FSB, saying they identified everyone, but they do not give any names. Fine. So it was reported that the case went to court. In June of 2010, however, the Moscow municipal court, which would have jurisdiction in the case, said that they had not received anything. They cannot even get their lies straight. So then what happened? In August of 2010, suddenly they report that in the course of a special operation in Gunib, a regional center in Dagestan, FSB commandos liquidated a certain Magomedali Vagabov, who, according to PRONKO: So you think they are manipulating public opinion? MITROKHIN: I think that what is going on is simple manipulation. I often keep track information coming in from the intelligence services, information that never seems to mesh in the end. Do you understand? We have, firstly, complete secrecy on the part of the security services. They are under absolutely no control. There is no parliamentary control, unfortunately. That is an issue here for Parliament. They must later do this, but all past attempts by Parliament to systematically investigate any terrible terrorist attack were of no avail. This applies to the Beslan, and this also applies to Some (MPs) tried to set up a commission, but many have already forgotten about it and are not doing anything. We have no public scrutiny. What is public control, anyway? That is an interesting question. Some believe that it is sort of an abstraction. No, it is not an abstraction. You know, I have on the table here this book. It is a huge thick volume. It is the official commission of inquiry into the PRONKO: Sergey, tell me, who wrote this? MITROKHIN: It was by the officially established commission, Congress participated, and the Senate, in the creation of this commission. So, it was an official commission made up of the public’s representatives and in it they published their report. PRONKO: But we also had the Torshin Commission on Beslan. MITROKHIN: Yes, but as a result it turned out later, in reading the findings of this commission, that no one really knew what really went on and discussion of it was later hushed up. After this we did not make any attempts, even after subsequent terrorist attacks, to set up anything even remotely resembling the Torshin Commission. There was nothing there, in general, so we are resigned to the fact that our security services are absolutely uncontrolled and they can do whatever they wish. They can ‘hang noodles on our ears’, sorry for the expression, and it seems that this is okay. So now look at the situation: there are regularly acts of terrorism committed, not just in Moscow, but all too often we have them in Moscow. In the United States, where there is such openness, where there is such control (of the security services), since then (9-11), excuse me, there has not been a single terrorist act, except those that were prevented. There were attempts over there, but they were prevented. That is the situation for you. PRONKO: That was Sergei Mitrokhin from ‘Yabloko’. Well, so now, Andrei Yaroslavovich (Lebedev), can you answer this question: are the security services and the law enforcement agencies accountable to the Russian Parliament? LEBEDEV: Well, if we are to talk about accountability, then that is too strong a word. I agree with the opinion of my colleague. In my opinion, as a former employee in this realm — I worked in criminal investigations — the work of the intelligence services has been a failure. What do we have at this date? We had reform of the judicial system, which came to what? It came up with a law on the (Prosecutor General’s) Investigative Committee rather quickly, and so now on (January) 28th there will be a second or perhaps third reading of the Police Law. The law on the Investigative Committee, and you can talk long and hard about it, but what we are talking about is control, including parliamentary control. An amendment by the Liberal Democratic Party did not pass, and a number of my colleagues, for example, in the report to the chief of the Investigative Committee, not just to the President… PRONKO: What is the reason for that? Why so much resistance? LEBEDEV: They do not want, perhaps, these controls, and so on. So far the Police Law has not passed, or in any case they are, in my opinion, rejecting the amendments, the amendments regarding the formation of public councils under the Interior Ministry. I am at least a former employee, but, nevertheless, many of my colleagues say that as the years go by the police work more and more for themselves, or think that they are working for themselves and that the public works for the police. No, the police were established to ensure the safety of the public, and this is true of the other security services. Our FSB is a secret organization, and there is practically no public oversight of any kind today. Even though one can talk about such formal accountability and so on, all the same it is sort of a profanity. But all these conditions are only part of what led to this terrible tragedy. Once again I would like to express my condolences to all the bereaved families. This is the pain of loss. 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